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AwkVenturer: From Japan to Canada - Mastering IRL Streaming | Episode 9

• Patricia • Season 1 • Episode 9

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Bettina, known as AwkVenturer, has been streaming for six years across two continents. She built her community from Japan streaming after midnight shifts, nearly hit Twitch Partner numbers, then moved back to Canada and watched it reset to 18 viewers. 

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Teaser

SPEAKER_01

You know, we get inspiration from people, and that's totally normal when people get inspired and take something that you've done and they do it for their streams as well. And then you see them get all of this success and they get partner by doing your ideas and they ask you, of course it's okay, but it hurts a little bit because you're like, what am I doing wrong? If that was my idea and like, is it me?

Pre-intro

Patty

Before we begin today's episode, I want to take a moment to ask your help. I have a special episode in the making, and I would love to have a return guest. So, out of all the ones that you have seen, and maybe all of the ones that you know that are coming up, who would you like to see as a repeat guest on a special episode? Let me know on the comments or the ME. And if you are a previous guest and you want your name to be thrown into the list, you can do that. And you can nominate yourself as a return guest for a special episode. Now, back to

Intro

Patty

the podcast. Welcome to the Growth Rate Podcast, where we dive into real streamer stories and find out what is behind the streamer. I'm your host Patty, and I'm genuinely excited for this one. Today's guest is actually one of the inspirations behind this whole podcast. She's been building something beautiful on Twitch for years. She's an IRL streamer, a variety creator, a painter, a traveler. She lived in Japan for over a decade, and she just hit partner. She is one of the warmest and most creative people that I know. Please welcome Bettina, also known as Auckventurer. How are you doing? Thank you so much for joining us today.

SPEAKER_01

Thanks, Fatty. Thanks so much for inviting me. I'm so happy and honored to have been invited and be here.

SPEAKER_00

And that was so nice of you to say. Thank you. I'm a little nervous, but I'm super excited. And yeah, it's nice to get to talk about things, I guess.

Patty

I I feel like because you you did a long partner run, and uh, you know, when you you when you hit it, it's like you were one of three people that I have been following that I've been trying for a while. You you all three of you got there like almost one after the other, and I was like, Really? It was like fascinating to me, and uh, it was one of the like the final pushes for me to actually create the podcast.

SPEAKER_01

I love the idea of the podcast. I think if when I started streaming, even I mean, many years ago now it feels, I feel like that would have been an awesome thing to listen to and just to hear. Because I feel like your journey in streaming, especially if you're trying to go through partner for me, actually feels kind of isolating. So it would have been nice to hear other people's like journeys in that. Because even now, like I don't really know how other people's journeys were like, I only see it when they've gotten it, so exactly.

Patty

And even when you join communities, you don't know what came before. You know, I I've known you for like almost two years now, but yeah, you have been streaming for such a long time, and sometimes you know, I watch the clips from like older streams, and I'm like, wow, this happens.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I think it's like six years now, I think almost streaming non-stop six years without any. I have never taken really long breaks or anything apart from after a subathon, but it's a long time, I guess.

Patty

Yeah, it's a lot of effort. So actually, that's how I usually start our episodes

Getting into streaming and initial motivations

Patty

by asking how you got into streaming, how white, why, and how did that start?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so like you said, so I was living in Japan and I was working a full-time job in Japan, and you know, the work culture there is really hard. So I was working late shifts, so I started from 5 p.m. or 6 p.m. and I would end work around 11 p.m. or midnight. So I was really tired, but I found out about streaming, and I really just tried to, you know, relax after work, and it was really lonely. Yeah. In in Japan, it's really hard to make friends. So there wasn't really, you know, friends I would hang out with after work, it's like midnight. So I started streaming and then I started doing it consistently for like three hours was considered a very long stream for me back then. I could only do three hours max and then I was finished. I guess I just started to do that every day after work and then build like a very, very tiny community. I'm thinking like three people were there, four people were there. For a long time, it was always like five people max, I would say. I always remember the very significant numbers throughout my streaming journey, and four was one of the big numbers because when I hit four, I was so happy, and that was four for a long time. And then yeah, I just kept doing that, but then I did end up losing my job, or I kind of left my job because it was a bit complicated because job things are really tough there, and I just couldn't do it anymore. It was really bad for my mental health, and then the only thing I had to fall back on was streaming. So I yeah, only I then that's actually how I started getting into streaming full-time, is because I had no other job while I was in Japan and it was really, you know, tough being overseas. The good thing though is back then the US dollar, because you get paid in USC from Twitch, was really good for Japanese yen. So even if I had like a very, very small community, I think it was better over there than if I was doing that over here.

Patty

Yeah, I totally hear that.

SPEAKER_00

That was a big help. Even now.

Patty

Now I get paid in US dollars, and I always have to think, okay, it says 50 there, but it's gonna be like 40 for me.

SPEAKER_00

You gotta convert it. Yeah, and the yen was so low when when it happened, so I was really grateful and lucky, but yeah, I think I just never took breaks.

SPEAKER_01

It was actually a bit unhealthy. I think I grinded, I think I still do grind a little bit too much, and I'm trying to learn how to take breaks too.

Patty

So yeah. I feel like there's there's a big uh thing there because there are streams that are draining and then you need to rest, but there's a lot of streams that you know it goes by so fast and you're playing games and hanging out with people that it's it's not tiring, so you know it's easier to keep on the grind.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I feel like that's so true. So when you feel like it's fun and you're enjoying and it doesn't feel like a grind, you should like keep going with that feeling. And then the moment you feel like it's tiring or exhausting or you're not vibing maybe the community sometimes, because that happens too. That's your cue that you should take the break. Because then when you keep pushing through the really tough streams, you don't enjoy the really good streams as much as you should. Because you put all your energy into trying to make a bad stream good. But it's okay to have bad streams, I guess, sometimes. I say bad, but I just you know, in comparison, maybe not the best. You don't feel your best and stuff.

Living in Japan and streaming experience

Patty

How did you end up in Japan?

SPEAKER_01

So I was there for 10 years, and then I was studying. So I was studying for university, I was there for one year, and then I moved back here, and then I worked here like a professional office job for one year, like one year and a bit. And of course, there it always ends up there was a boy.

SPEAKER_00

And I loved the kind I loved everything anyways, and so I I went, then I ended up staying through a long time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I I just I ended up being there for time. It was a beautiful like it's a beautiful place. I love living there, it was really great, just the job stuff. You don't get paid very well and and all of that, but I mean who wouldn't want to stay in Japan for a long time, right? But I do wish that I started streaming earlier. I didn't find out about what streaming was until 2020, but I think a lot of people, like because of COVID, found out about streaming. I wish I started earlier, but that's okay.

unknown

Yeah.

Patty

I feel I feel like even people that knew it about it before, they kind of boomed on uh that time because there were so many more people uh on Twitch back then.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, during 2020 as well. It was tough for those I think who started 2020 because they mentioned how viewership was definitely higher than what normal years were. So I kind of started streaming, getting used to the oh, this is really like what I thought was normal, but then it it does it did go down, and then through that lump, I think that was so hard to just go back up after that, and that took a long time.

Content evolution: gaming, IRL, and art

Patty

So tell us about the evolution of your content because right now you're a variety, you do, you do everything from IRL to games to painting. Was it always like that?

SPEAKER_01

You know, in the beginning it was I think I don't know, but for me it was only gaming because I didn't have a well, I don't know, maybe it was always variety. So I didn't have a PC, I didn't have a gaming PC, so it took me a couple of months to save up and buy the computer. So I used to stream from my phone and just do just chatting, but it wasn't like IRL where I was going outside really. It was like in my living room and I would stream like building the PC or waiting for the part slowly, because it took a lot of time before I could get everything. And then when I got the PC, yeah, it was mostly just gaming, a lot of gaming for the most part. And then I think back in 2020, I wanted to do IRL because I've always loved going and out exploring, anyways. But back then I think there wasn't a lot of resources, and I think a lot of communities kind of gatekeeped how to do IRL. It was more like very gatekeepy, you know what I mean?

Patty

I feel like some streamers are still a lot like that. You're one of the very few that are like super open about how everything works, because I feel like I ask other IRL streamers, and they're not as open. They yeah, I feel like IRL is is a little bit there's one or two streamers that I ask, and they're like very helpful and tell me exactly the resources they use, but the rest I felt my experience, it was so gatekeepy.

SPEAKER_01

People would not want to share. There was not a lot of information on YouTube, and the people who did know, there's like a few of them, they weren't gonna share because of course you don't want to be the person as well where you're just getting information and that and then you dip. Because some people do that with me as well. But I I really credit my mods like um Connor and Fang, who helped me do all the research initially and stuff like that. But now I yeah, I agree with you, but um at least it's a little bit more accessible. But I've had some streamers and it really sucks, where they message me and I've never known them, they've never popped into stream, they were not part of the community or anything, but we're just in the same Discord somewhere else, and they will send me a question about how to do it, and I will send them a full, like you said, I I'm I I I I do just tell them, like, this is the stuff. I'd send them the links, the YouTube, the, and then I've literally got a nothing back and just be like, okay, yeah, that sounds complicated, but I'll try it. And like, no thank you, like nothing. And I'm just like, wow, it's crazy.

Patty

That's also a bit discouraging, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It's discouraging too, because then it's like, well, you don't feel so good giving all of that away because yeah, so it it sucks both ways for sure. But um yeah, so then I started going into IRL 2021, but like the tech was super hard. I had so many tech issues. Like, you couldn't watch my IRL stream without going on to BR at back every like five or seven minutes, and then I'd be BRIBAC for 30 minutes. It was so so bad. So I never built growth. I've I never grew from IRL initially ever. I only grew from gaming because my IRL was so bad. So like now I do IRL and people are like, oh, the quality is great, what do you use? No one cared, no one asked about that before, but they don't realize that the way it is now took so many years of me testing and tweaking and figuring it out with help, of course, from my mods, but yeah, it was tough. So yeah, initially no growth from IRL. It was mostly just gaming, but I did do IRL and then I did start painting because I was always at home and sometimes I didn't want to game. I started like practicing and trying to teach myself how to paint. I never took painting lessons before. I was never I never considered myself an artist or whatever. Um, I just did it for fun because in Japan I had a wall in the back. I don't know, you might have seen it in the clips. It was just like a wall.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I didn't have a room like this. So if someone subbed back then, I had no way of like, you know, just saying thank you or writing their name anywhere. So I started drawing and painting my own things depending on the season. So if it was spring, sunflowers or Christmas, stockings, and then I'd write their name and then I'd put it on the wall with their name on it. And so that's how the painting started. And then I realized, oh, this is kind of fun. And like it's crazy to be that now, like years, six years later, I get to sell some of the art. Because I didn't, I really wasn't an artist. So like it's crazy to me that you can do that years later. As long as you keep at something, you should it's like my early works, you guys don't even see it was so bad. So it's it's cool to see, I think, as long as you keep at it. But yeah, it was mostly gaming and painting and really, really bad IRL. It was only IRL started getting better at 2020, end of 2023, 2024.

Goals and milestones in streaming

Patty

Did you start streaming with any goals in mind? Because people that start in 2020 are mostly it's mostly because they were bored and they would they wanted to do something.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. No, honestly, I didn't have any goal. I just wanted to make friends. I know that sounds so cheesy, and then I like I'm super shy and stuff, so I didn't even know the concept of community in the beginning. But yeah, no goals. I just wanted to relax after work. I think I started getting goals when I actually lost my job. When streaming like shifted from just being kind of a hobby and friends, and it kind of became like, you know, you have to take it a bit more seriously if you want to do it full time. That's probably when I started getting goals, and you know, that would be just for me before even thinking about partner, it was just numbers, and I hate thinking about numbers. I think it's the worst thing, but like you do have to think about it sometimes. So it was just hitting certain number milestones. Because uh the kind of significant numbers for me when I started streaming was four, like I had four people there, and then when I hit around 18, I was like, Oh my gosh, 18, that's great, but it would fluctuate, you know. Of course it would fluctuate, but these are my milestones, and then 24 was like for the longest time. I think 24 was almost one year. I only had 24 people, and then you start growing, and people would say, Oh, you should have partner, and you I know they mean it from a very nice place in their heart, but it hurt a lot. Like as the years go by, it really hurt to hear because you don't have partner, and then people are saying these things, and you're like, Maybe I do, maybe I should, but I don't have it. So I almost

Impact of time zone changes and community growth

SPEAKER_01

got the numbers needed when I was in Japan, but then I moved again, so I moved back to Canada, and then it reset it. It reset all my numbers back to like 18 and like 18 to 20, and it was so hard, and then you know it took like two years for me to build that back up until now, which honestly it doesn't even hit partner numbers, like we can talk about it later. But how I got partnered, but even now, after I got partnered, I don't even hit partner numbers, so that's just the truth.

Patty

Yeah, I think you you hit a couple of uh spots that I wanted to talk about. So, one thing that I feel like talking with so many people, not everyone uh like remembers and says specific numbers, but you know, getting stuck at the around 20-ish viewers, I feel like it's very common for some people to get stuck here for some time until they do something. So I feel like that's kind of a normal place that you got stuck there. Yeah, for sure. And I also wanted to ask the when you moved to Canada, was it the the time zone difference and like the times that you had to stream that's make that give you that such big reset?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you know, like the majority of my community in Japan was from Europe. It was Europe and Australia. And so when I went back to North America, I mean you know how late I stream when I'm in North America and what time it is in Europe. It's just so hard. People are getting ready for bed, they're they're going to sleep, and that's so normal, but like I just cannot stream at 8 in the morning my time. If I wanted to maintain the community numbers, I'd have to stream like 80. I'm not streaming 8 a.m. in the morning.

SPEAKER_00

I couldn't do it. I tried, it's just so hard.

Variety streaming: the slow road and the real trade-off

Patty

You're super variety now, and you what even when you were doing games, you were doing games, but you were not playing one game. Does that ever you do you feel like that made it harder for you to grow being a super variety? Like you don't have like a category, like but Tina is not this streamer, you know, like you do everything. Do you think that would be like harder for growth?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, definitely. See, I'm very stubborn, and so I you know, I do ask my mods, and like Connor is probably the person I work with the most, and he's also one of my best friends, but he also said, you know, it's hard because I want to grow, but I'm doing so much of everything. And sometimes I think you have to sacrifice if you want to go grow faster. I think you do have to sacrifice a little bit, but I didn't. I did not sacrifice because I wanted to do what I wanted to do. So I did a little bit of everything, and yeah, I really think it slowed my growth because that there's a one point in the beginning where I only played horror games, and this is when my numbers jumped, like I told you, around 18 to 20, and then it fluctuated because I stopped focusing on horror. I started doing other games like co-op games and stuff. So if I really just stuck to one thing, I feel like I could have grown. And even Connor says, you know, what's so bad about sticking to one thing that maybe you don't want to just do, but sacrificing it for a couple of months, and then once you get a bigger community, then you can start branching out. But I think I did it the hardest way, I did it the slowest way, and I started with everything, and I grew so so slowly. But I have to say the upside for that is I think that you do grow a really nice, close community because of it, because in that sense, they really do stay for whatever you're doing, right? But the growth, it is so slow, and yeah, it was it's really hard, but and you have to think which one is more important. Do you want the numbers and sometimes they only stay depending on the content, right? When you change, they leave, or do you want to like take that time and grow a community that supports and uh you know will stay no matter what it is you're doing? But it is a trade-off, I think.

Full time streaming and financial struggles

Patty

When you moved to Canada, was it easier for you or like on the money making side? Because you you do you do streaming full-time? I feel like you on Discord you do talk about doing like other other jobs because in Canada you know everything is more expensive, so it's harder to do, you know, just streaming or even just content creating. So do you feel like not only the numbers of Twitch went down and you had to build it back up, but then you also had to do other things to make money, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so when people say there was a point when they say, Are you doing streaming full-time? I've always said yes because back in Japan, that is the only way that I got money. That was my only source of income, right? And so now though, I actually stream more than I did in Japan. So I actually stream way more now, and I also have more jobs now, so I still say I am streaming full-time because the hours of full-time I would say is a certain number, you know. I do it, I I stick to my schedule as much as I can. I stream like sometimes 40 hours a week for for just streaming. So yeah, I am streaming full-time there, but it's just not enough to have, you know, for a live like your livelihood. I mean, I think, you know, one thing I don't think streamers talk about more is the reality and the sustainability of, you know, doing something full-time, but also just life and the bills that come with it and all of those kind of things. Sometimes I feel like people say they're doing full-time streaming and stuff, but you know, it's hard. It's hard to make ends meet with just that. And you have to do so many other things if you don't want to be suffering. Because I feel like there was a time when I first moved to Canada and all of my income is obviously from is from streaming, but there is that stress and pressure, like, oh, it's not enough, you know, I have to stream more, but also you don't want to not enjoy streaming because my joy of streaming came from not because of money. I genuinely love games and stuff, but also you do have to make money. So then it's this really weird area. But I found that while I'm doing other things that's helping me with other money things, it kind of alleviates the stress of stream. I genuinely think I was able to get partner because I was able to enjoy stream more because I didn't have to feel the pressure of this is the I need to make money from this because I can't pay this, and then I could focus on just enjoying it, and then I think when you enjoy and you don't have that stress, I think you do better. But it's hard because if I could, obviously, I would only want to do streaming because I'm already doing it full time, it's a lot of hours, but it's just you know, it's hard.

SPEAKER_00

I totally get it.

Patty

Okay, first I remember what I wanted to say is that when you do variety like you did, like you said, it was harder for you, but because you're not get stuck in yourself to like one type of game that you could get bored, it's a lot more enjoyable for you because you're doing what you want, and yeah, streaming is not as hard or as tired if you're doing something that you genuinely want to do and you know enjoy. Yeah, and now with the money, you also. hit that point because for like these past months I also have been struggling a lot financially and I also been like the numbers is like I need to get this amount of subs so that I can afford groceries or whatever. And that makes it so much harder to enjoy stream. And then you may think I will stream more so I can make more money but that does not guarantee that you're gonna get more money just because you're streaming more.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly that's why I have like all these other side things and they don't give me like so much money. It's really I'm still like struggling and stuff but it does even a little bit alleviate the hey at least I can pay my phone bill so the enjoyment of stream part is so important because you do better and when you do better you do get more people you can it's like this natural like a garden kind of situation. I've bad analogies but it's tough. I totally understand that struggle because I was there like I was doing that for a lot of years and I was having a really hard time with that too

IRL streaming: six years to get it right

SPEAKER_01

putting aside a little bit the the variety content because of IRL when you're in Canada it's you you usually stream around the same time but when you came to Europe did that help or make it worse for your numbers because you were streaming at completely different times of your usual stream times. Yeah that's a good question. Now that so since my IRL I would say has kind of gotten to its a really good place in terms of you know the connection and just the quality of it. So after all those years it finally has hit this point. So now I start to grow from IRL more than I do from gaming.

Patty

So initially I grew more from gaming I grow more now from IRL and so if I do IRL my numbers are naturally more than my gaming especially I think recently there's kind of like a what's the word in Japanese they call it like a boom like a like I think I think it is not like a trend yeah I think there's more IRL streamers now I think I've been seeing that I don't know if if it's because I've been more interested in IRL but I feel like there's a lot more IRL streamers now so yeah there's there's more people looking for it yeah exactly so I feel like because of that more people know about IRL more people want to do it and they are doing it.

SPEAKER_01

I think yeah my numbers grow more from the IRL portion and also just like the IRL community like shout out to them they're really supportive for the most part and I think they really help try and build and have a nice you know what I mean like it's it I feel like gaming communities maybe depends on the game but IRL no matter what kind of IRL it's like with this whole encompassing community they're actually a really big part as well of probably why I hit partner because of the raids I didn't get to partner until Twitch changed the requirements for what can be counted and a big part of that is raids and a lot of them were from the IRL community so that's I I grew so much more from the IRL part and being in Europe I think just because I have more North Americans now like they want to see Europe and because I already had Europeans a lot too all those numbers together um yeah I think I did

Journey to Twitch Partner

SPEAKER_01

really well I wanted to talk to you about like your journey to partner because it's very fresh on you.

Patty

Everyone else that I ask has been partner for a while but for you it's very fresh. Yeah and I remember you started thinking about like doing a push like it was last year and like even before you we went to Europe right when you did like that trip to the mountains and whatever because it has been such a long time when he finally did it. So tell us how did that go?

SPEAKER_01

You're right you have good memories so I first officially like of of course in my heart I've always wanted it but to officially announce it yeah it was around May 2025. So yeah about like a year or before that actually so you were right be we went to the mountains and that was the month that we were so close we had to hit one more month after and then I would have gotten it and it has to be consecutive this was the old Twitch requirements but I didn't hit the consecutive and I then it starts all over from the beginning and so yeah I started the push like a year ago and with the hard one the hard requirements we they didn't include raids and it was really really tough because you needed I don't remember if it's three months maybe three months of 75 consecutive viewership and I only hit two out of the three and then you don't hit the last one you start again and I never even got close to those numbers at all. Like I did not until honestly I went to Europe because of IRL communities and that's like a shout out to like recharging who really helped with that push like he would raid me so many times and this was after the change so all the raids counted and like I said the IRL community's so close so if they're like hey this person's doing an I'm a partner push let's go raid them they'll just say it and then you you'll be like okay yeah let's do that but it was so tough and honestly I felt really demoralized because you know I am really proud of the content that I put out when I when I actually do like for example events or or anything like that and I'm so proud of the community I think it's a really good and close community um and I put a lot of effort in a lot of things and I don't like to toot my own heart. I don't think I'm great or anything but I I know I'm a hard worker. So I put a lot of hard work in the things that I do but then you don't see any results from it. You see your numbers go down or you see it's it really sucks. It just it sucks because then you start having you know thoughts about like you know you're good enough but it's like but are you? Because obviously it's not and it it doesn't feel good but I think the communities were so nice when you tell them they really just like try and push and support which is crazy actually it's really super nice of people to do that. But yeah it took like a year and you have to hype it up and you have to even if you don't want to you don't feel hype about it. It's really nice how much people want to see people succeed. Like if you have the right people around you and surround yourself with a really good community they want to see you succeed and they will help you get there. But yeah I honestly felt so demoralized for a lot of the streaming years that I've done because I've I've gotten so many comments of oh you're so good at this or people even you know what hurt as well as like sometimes you know we get inspiration from people and that's totally normal when people get inspired by and take something that you've done and they do it for their streams as well and everything and then you see them get all of this success and they get partner by doing your ideas and they ask you it's you know all it's of course it's okay but it hurts a little bit because you're like what am I doing wrong you know and if that was my idea and like is it me? Am I the person that you so even now to be honest after getting partner and like I said I'm not hitting partner numbers because I don't get rated because the push people really raid you and I don't get rated as much now compared to the push sometimes I still think the same thing too. Like I don't think those insecurities kind of leave you but I think I do really good separating myself with those kind of negative social media feelings which is a really big thing I think that also maybe streamers don't talk about a lot. I still have those thoughts even now and I'm still working through a lot of them.

Patty

That is very important to say because a lot of people only see what happens live and like you do so many events and you do like so many different things and that takes so much time and preparation and everything. And you know I I totally get when I put effort and I make like a special stream that I think is gonna be super cute and amazing and then the numbers do not you know correspond to you know the hype and it it it does feel a little bit crappy. And I think that is exactly one thing that people don't talk a lot about you know content creation in general is be because they only see the good posts. Yeah. So we see all the posts. Yeah so we we we get hit with that a lot and when people say that content creation is super easy and all that you know you need to you need to have a strong personality to be able to you know continue for for consistently for so long.

SPEAKER_01

I agree I agree like there's a very few people who get super lucky right they get into the algorithm and they hit it and all of that but the majority we do have to work so hard and you do have to have a thick skin and honestly I don't think I have the thickest skin and I'm still working through it like of course I compare myself to other people of course I look at the numbers and I just think I'm always working on trying to be healthy about it. Because I think there's also just it can be a dark hole sometimes right but yeah it's not easy.

Patty

It's still not easy and I think for you like you said now you grow a lot more with IRL and you were having all the raids when you were in Europe. And that's another thing that you went back to Canada and weather in Canada is not the best for IRL streaming especially during the winter right? Yeah so you couldn't you couldn't just go outside all the time and you had to do other content and you know you you're still streaming and doing what you like but the numbers are not the same because there's also not you know there's a lot of people that are there just for oh they're pushing for partner. There's a hype event moment they don't want to be there but now you're there so there's no reason for those people to continue to join. Yeah. And you know sometimes that's that's also a little hurtful.

SPEAKER_01

No that's a very real thing like in the Discord um partner discord which you join once you become partner when I joined it the one of the posts actually it was very recent like two weeks ago was just talking about how they felt so empty because after they hit partner their numbers significantly dropped because people weren't there for the hype anymore. They achieved it and that's you know that they didn't know what to do because the numbers are just back to normal again. So it had this kind of meaningless feeling for them. And so that's a very real thing as well and that's why I think even if it takes a long time the building the community part is so important because they're gonna be there no matter what and it takes a long time to build it but then you don't have that feeling as much I think if you see you know if you have the people there and you gotta enjoy it. If you don't like the people there then you're not gonna enjoy it and then you're not gonna grow naturally but it's it's tough. Like that's a really real thing people feel once they hit partner there's a whole like thread about it in the partner Discord so you're right. Oh wow really yeah

Post-partner experiences and community reactions

SPEAKER_01

did anything change after you hit partner did anything feel different do people treat you different you know yeah it's so funny how a purple check mark can give you like what people seem to respect you more which is such a weird thing and like I feel I come off really bitter but I try not to like I have always been me no matter what if I was partnered if I was not partnered I've always just been the same. I really you know don't care I'm gonna talk to someone if I talk to someone I like them I like them right but what yeah when I hit partner I notice people coming into stream that never spoke to me before never went into stream before I was partnered never DM'd me before and all of these things and then a lot of them are just asking mostly it's IRL help. Like I've gotten so many questions about IRL health and I've given a lot of them but I'm it's crazy how no one says thank you. Like like it's okay to say thank you but like not in like oh I deserve a thank you but just like I think somet I don't know okay that's a whole different thing. But yeah a lot of people have started I guess reaching out talking more they want to do more collabs and all of those things which I guess you know s I guess people like successful people and I understand that but it does hurt as well a little bit but the nice thing is I guess you'll you're always gonna know who's been there from the start who was there before you became partner who hung out in the stream who was so that's yeah I think you just gotta be a little more careful and I guess I I hope it's not coming out badly just yeah I think people do treat you differently the good thing about it is I guess you have more confidence to reach out to the brands that you want to work with. I think that's the nice thing. Because you have a check mark that's probably the best thing you don't get paid more on Twitch right it's honestly just like an aesthetic but you get to work more potentially with brands that would otherwise ignore you I guess if you didn't have it.

Patty

But in terms of like people and viewers I do think people pop into streams more when you are partnered because they're like hey this person's partnered so maybe their stream is good and then I feel like because this is like a journey to partner but uh most of my guests have been uh like affiliates that are like close to partner numbers no you know the people that have been streaming for a long time. So it's not a question that I get to ask a lot of people so far. Hopefully I'll be able to ask more and see if like it's it's general for everyone.

SPEAKER_01

No yeah it's a great question. But I think that's why yeah it's it makes you appreciate as well the people who's been there through the journey and even people who just yeah you just appreciate I think everything that led up to there for sure but I guess you just have to be a little more careful and protect your space and things and your community because sometimes people also just want to amuse you but you know you just have to be careful.

Planning and executing community events

Patty

Over the years you've done so much and so many different things because you do so many events and special streams. Is there anything that you were very excited that you put a lot of work into and totally flopped or the other way around something that you you did it because it was like a random thought in the shower and it just took off and everybody loved it probably for that so a random thought that I did the first year that wasn't supposed to be a big event but it ended up being such a big event that I do it every year now.

SPEAKER_01

Probably like community week so I do community week you know every year and around it was to celebrate my affiliate anniversary but I just wanted to like hang out with people you know celebrate the community because I had like four or five people like it was a community super small it was easy to celebrate um and I really enjoyed it and it was so cool. I didn't realize how nice it was and now every year we interview people and the community is growing but it's a nice way for the community to get to know the new community people you know it's not only for me but I I really try and build it so that it's it is a community and just like one part of it. And it's so nice that people connect with other people like I love that in my community we have someone who's engaged and they met through the community. Like I think that is such a beautiful thing and they're gonna get married and and then they're we have actually made yeah so like in my I had Isaac who joined first year that I started streaming 2020 and then move forward to 2023. Grace joins the community so two three years later and now they're engaged and living together and I think it's the best thing ever. And they've been engaged for like over a year now I think they're getting married maybe next year or something. Yeah so I love that I really do take the community part seriously so I love to get to introduce the community to the community the new members to the old members so that it's like solidified. Because I think it's really hard as well because as you grow and I think I'm like struggling with it too is you know the people who were there for a while they can feel a bit left out because like all these new people are coming and you have to think fostering a community and I'm so proud of the one I have just it takes a lot of work and you have to be active about it. You can't just be like oh yeah hopefully they like each other and hopefully this works out like you gotta put some effort in there but it's hard because sometimes they fight you know like there's like sometimes people don't always get along which is totally okay but you have to do your best to just that was a that was an event that I didn't think would continue going on but now it's one of I think a lot of people's favorites events every year. But I feel like a lot of the events that have been successful have taken a lot of preparation. I know that the events that didn't do so well it's yeah like you said it's because I didn't put enough preparation into it. I didn't put enough time into it and that's I think a lot of people don't see yeah for the successful events they don't see all the hard work that goes behind them. Like even for yours right Patty you did the Pattyon. I know you put so much like your aesthetic is so I love it. It's so clean. I always love your layouts and you do it from scratch. Like I know you do it you don't just buy them off Etsy like you really create everything and that takes time I bet but people probably don't know that.

Patty

For me it's because when you buy something and you you want to change just a tiny little thing because it's bothering you can't so I'm like I need this to be customizable so I'll make it and you know I'm blessed with you know having a background in a web development so I can code all of my widgets but I feel like you know I need them to work exactly as I want them to work. So better I make them myself. And then yeah that that took a while. Right? Yeah it was also fun because I was doing it while doing co-work streams so chat had like little snippets of uh the progress and that's also fun.

SPEAKER_01

That's really cool. Yeah that's really fun but yeah like I know you put a lot of effort in your events as well but when the actual event is happening I feel like people don't always remember how much work went into it before the event started. So like I know when I did my 56 day like the Subathon which was a Europathon Subathon event which well yeah it was 56 days I had all of those events planned in advance and the things like the props and stuff I needed ordered in advance so it's cheap. Like it had so much preparation that people don't remember that. They just remember the day that it happened so but yeah events definitely.

Event goals and incentives

Patty

Do you do the events because you it's an easier way to get money and give something in return or is there what is the thought process whenever you do these events? Because I'm always scared of doing like too many sabathons because it feels like I'm always you know asking for more money from the community instead of just enjoying it. And I always like have doubts do I make events do I make like incentives or not? There's like always this huge struggle.

SPEAKER_01

Like for me for example like you said the sabathons I also feel very like I think as a streamer sometimes we have to remember just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. We have the responsibility to also think about other people and you have to do that of course in terms of just being thinking long term right so for subathons I try not to do I've only done three subathons. I've been streaming for six years. I've only ever done three and so for the events that I do I always make sure I to say to people I think they know this in the community enough that they don't have to do it. There are incentives if they want to like it's a nice thing but they don't have to because some of those events like the um the Banff one I'm gonna go anyways. So I'm gonna go regardless of if I hit a certain number of subs or if I hit a certain something but if they were to give yeah I'll write their name and I'll take a photo at the event because it's a nice memory as well but I'm still gonna be there even if I don't get the money I'm gonna still pay from my pocket you know so most of my events like that are just incentives. I'm still going to do the event regardless. Like Valentine's Day I think I only had maybe four people do the incentives which is totally okay as well I'm gonna do it anyways and it's a lot of fun. I think community events the main reason why I started them I think I get a lot of compliments for the kind of community that I have that it is very special that it is very close and all of that but to have that community yeah I have to do community events that make people feel and show that we are a community. So the community events are like that for Stampedathon I would say that's not really a community event it is like it is a nice way for me yes to make like extra money especially because the Stampede so it runs for 10 days but the stampede is really expensive. Like you can get water for $10 like it's really expensive. So the Stampedathon is then like yeah if we hit this one then I'm gonna go to the next day because you guys are loving it so much. So that one yeah I would say is a nice way to make extra money but also it is really a great event and it but it is really expensive so it's hard for me to pay so the stampede is an actual like event like in uh in where you live in my city yeah so that one's an actual event yeah that's not like an event that I made it's it's an actual like an event but if they want me to go every single day then that's why it becomes like that. But I'll still go at least two days by myself with them anyways. But yeah all of the other events it is really community focused and I think I'm really lucky that I have people around me that oh always keep me grounded because I feel like sometimes when you're a streamer numbers get so inflated where like oh this is a normal amount for this kind of thing but then you're thinking like in real life that's crazy expensive for just this kind of thing right but I feel sometimes in the streamer world not like entitlement but sometimes it's like is it really is it really worth that much you have to like give back to people as well without you don't want them to be spending so much and and all of that because that's not part of community either. So I try and like during October for example the Halloween events I have incentives using points that are also equal to us to a monetary Amount so they can use the points instead.

SPEAKER_00

I think that's why we gamble a lot and I like guys because I know I want them to collect all these points so they can use yeah, I want them to have a lot of these points so they don't have to use their real money so for these for when the events happen.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, community first, but it always it's always super nice if people want to give, and I have incentives for that, but I'm still gonna have the event regardless.

Patty

That's how I feel about uh so I feel like some events I do them, but like the money that the community gives me has a goal and they know that not only they are getting the incentive, but their money is going towards that goal. So last last year I did Sabathon, I wanted to go to TwitchCon. Yeah. So everybody knew that I was doing a subathon to go to TwitchCon. They have like this clear goal in mind.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I think it's not like you're always doing this as well. It's like kind of a really special event. It's like TwitchCon, right? It's so I think those community like they want you to have fun and go, and it is like a community thing that they're working together, and I think that's really nice um as well. So yeah, I think there's always that line that you have to be responsible of what is too much, or almost like I don't know what the right word is. Like you don't want to use people, you don't want them to feel used, you want to appreciate and give back to them as well, while also trying to do what you do and be sustainable about it. So it's hard though, it's a hard balance, but yeah.

Patty

It's hard, especially when you're doing it full time and like if it's your only income and you're like you feel very pressured if you if you know, yeah. Because it it all falls under community if you don't have like sponsorships or other things. It's like yeah, if the community is not there in a financial way, you're gonna struggle, and that puts a lot of pressure on on everyone.

SPEAKER_01

It does, yeah. That's why, even for me, I feel like I was feeling a bit of that pressure, and so I went to go find some other gigs and grind and work, and it has helped even a little bit of that, and it makes things so much better, I think. But of course, if I could, I would only do one thing. I didn't want to do so many things at the same time, but you know, gotta do what you have to do.

Lessons from Japan and resilience

Patty

Do you think your time in Japan formed you in some way that helps now in uh you know being freelance content creation because super different, right? Because you were very stuck in in that workspace. Um, but did you take lessons from it that you know shaped you into the person you are now?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you know, my time in Japan, so it's 10 years, and I would, you know, I'm quite hard on myself, so I feel like I was more of a failure while I was there. I didn't get to do all the things I wanted to do. I didn't like achieve the things I wanted to achieve, like career-wise and stuff. But you know, when you're in a foreign country and you don't know the language and you don't know anybody, you don't have friends, you don't have family, you're going through a heartbreak, you're literally all alone, you don't even know how to pay your own bills. Like, I there was a time that my lights in my apartment just went out because I couldn't pay it on time and the water and it was just a nightmare. When you like, I feel like when you experience some of those things, like you just have to learn how to bounce back. There's nothing else you can do. You you don't have a job, you need to pay your things. You find a way to make it work, you find a way to get through it, no matter how hard it is. Because that's you know, I it was really tough. It was really tough, and I still struggle with a lot of those feelings even now. But coming back here, starting all over again, I think I'm a really persevering person. Like just the perseverance. I don't know if everyone could continue as consistently just pushing through without seeing any return for six years sometimes. It's really demoralizing. And yeah, I think it I think it made me really tough. Kind of. I'm still kind of soft, but like persevering, hardworking. It made me a very hardworking person, for sure. No matter how sad I am, and there's a lot of sad days, I will always show up and no one will even know that you know how I'm feeling. I will just I will do what I set out to do, I think.

Patty

I think that's a woman's superpower with you, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you just you we we just gotta do it, I think.

Balancing streaming with other pursuits

Patty

You just said that you've been full-time streaming because of the hours, but you were doing full-time even not if even if you all your money was not coming from from stream, you were full-time, even before you were a partner, right? Because there's a lot of people that have like this idea that once I get partner, I can get I can go to full-time, but that's really not the that doesn't happen for everyone. Like I can go full-time with stream without hitting partner because I live in Portugal and we are poor, which means we don't need that much money. And I have friends from New York that even if they hit partner, they won't have enough money. What is like your honest uh take on like this reality of like people that have this dream goal of hitting partner?

SPEAKER_01

Partner doesn't change that much in terms of that. Just because you hit partner doesn't mean you can let's go quit your job, you know? And like let's go full-time and stuff. It really that's why I don't feel like it makes a big difference, like I said, apart from just being a nice check mark, that you can reach out to brands too, and people will take you a little bit more seriously. I do think, yeah, I did full-time before partner, and I was so lucky and so yeah, really, really lucky enough to to just, you know, live and work with whatever money I was getting through church. But like you said, like I was living in Japan, it was a little bit different. I couldn't do the same amount then and do it now here in Canada, so that makes a difference. And just I think you have to be, if you want to be responsible and sustainable, you need to be so high level beyond just partner for a couple of months to really see how your numbers are before you just delve into it full time and just if you don't care about, you know, if you don't care about having savings, if you don't care about building something for the future, if you already have some money because you have rich parents or an inheritance, then I guess you don't have to worry about those things. But for normal people, I guess like me, I I would say don't it doesn't change much. You gotta still be responsible. And yeah, I would probably have something on the side while growing, while doing that. It doesn't have to be like a full-time job because I know it's important for people to still put those hours in, right? For streaming, because it is also very grindy. You you take like two weeks off and then you're like off the algorithm, or people forget you. So I totally understand that pressure as well.

Patty

And I know people that do have full-time and then stream, and like for me, that would be impossible. I cannot take a full-time job and then stream like in the evenings, I would be exhausted, it will not be entertaining. So for me, it's more like I do freelance gigs that help me pay other stuff, and I can focus more on creating content. And whenever I'm streaming a little less, I'm still creating. Like now I'm doing a podcast because I'm only streaming on the weekends, and it does give me a lot more time to you know editing a podcast takes a lot.

Upcoming TwitchCon panel and IRL panel details

Patty

So you're gonna be at uh TwitchCon for an IRL panel. Super exciting, and you just told me that you were not the one applying, you got invited to to do it. So, how how did that happen? Do you do you guys already have like a plan of what we're gonna talk about? Because I went to two panels about IRL last year, and uh I mean it was fun, but not exactly what I was expecting. So, what what the will people expect from your panel? Do you know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, ours is gonna be about I guess I forgot the official title. They wanted us to change a title a couple of times, but it's kind of like the fundamentals and basics of pretty much like if you wanted to start IRL streaming, you've never done IRL streaming before, what you need. Like, kind of like what people ask me in DMs, like what you need, what to expect. So it covers like the tech, it covers the tech portion of it, like the phones, the modems, the bond, like it goes through the tech, it goes through what to expect in terms of coverage data, when it what what to check before going to play. So the coverage map, the how many maybe the SIM card situation, and also how to maybe interact with chat while doing IRL to make it the most um interactive and things you can do to help make it interactive, stuff like that, and also safety, things maybe you should do because you know, safety IRL is very different from being at home. So it covers a little bit of everything. If you were to want to get into IRL and know nothing, this is supposed to be a really, really great panel to introduce you to it. So when you're asking, you know, DMing someone, hey, I love your setup. Like, what do you do? This would be great. There would be a lot of resources, I think. Redirect because it's a lot of panels. Yeah, so lots of good people. And like I said, yeah, I wasn't planning on going to TwitchCon. It just happened that it's at the same time my family wants me to go meet them. But then they added me recharging again, who was who's been so supportive. He added me to the panel lists for their panel, but there was only supposed to be five people. So I was like added on top of it, but then they allowed it and they accepted the the whole panel and the extra members, which was me in April, who's also an IRL

Defining success and future goals

SPEAKER_01

streamer from America, New York. And so I'm like, oh, okay. So I guess if it's approved and I'm already gonna be there because of family, I I mean, I guess I should go, right? Because I'm taking a bus or something. I I actually didn't get the tickets yet, so I don't know. But I'm gonna just be like a border away.

SPEAKER_00

It's super close.

Patty

Yeah, yeah. So do you think you reached success as a streamer, or what do you think that means for a streamer?

SPEAKER_01

That's a good question. See, I feel like, yeah, of course it depends on the person. I'm a very critical person of myself. And so I don't think I've reached success as a streamer. Okay, okay, let me let me think about this. Chat is gonna be listening to this. I need to. I think I oh man, I think it's both. I think I have. I think you don't have to be partnered to reach success. I think the fact that you have people who consistently show up to stream is already amazing and it is a success. Because if you actually look logistically matter, you know, matter-of-factly, the it's like what 0.0 something percent who actually continue streaming and have people show up. There's so many people who get zero viewers. So just based on this huge number, I think it is already a success to be a streamer that you have people watching. Because at the end of the day, a streamer is someone who people watch and enjoy, and you know, even if they give a little bit of subs, right? So the next level of that is your own personal goals on your own definition, right? So I think yes to a successful streamer, but haven't reached like the ceiling yet. I think there's a whole journey that you can keep continue hitting, but for sure, I think I am so lucky and I I I yeah, I would say I am very successful that I have been able to do it, and I'm excited for more things, hopefully, that I can achieve on the journey.

Patty

Yeah. You haven't reached your your ceiling. I hope there's no ceiling for you. Do you have like concrete plans and goals moving forward? Is there like things, specific things that you want to do with streaming?

SPEAKER_01

I do, yeah. Like, of course, numbers mean they mean so much for people, but I have to hit certain numbers first, and I think I'm a little bit shy, so I'm scared to reach out to, you know, organizations or whatnot until I have a certain number of numbers that I feel confident in. But like I've always loved educational, you know, like when I go travel, I always try and teach things sometimes, whether it's cultural or not just to be there, but to learn about the place. And then I I do a lot of YouTube videos about travel. So before I started streaming, my main thing was YouTube, and I love doing videos about the places I go to and going into the history and the culture about it. And so I would love to be able to do that on stream in a real-time event sometimes and go to places. Like, you know, uh, for example, this is you know, Speed, he went to the Egyptian um pyramids. Like, I would have loved to have done that and have done a full-on, like kind of educational but fun, like educational but fun kind of way to do like IRL stuff. And also, I love like in terms of big streamers, even like I guess Maya or other folks who have like organizations that they get to, you know, donate money and the things that they're passionate about, which is like animals for her. For me, I would love to do like educational programs that maybe would allow kids the opportunity to go abroad and learn about other cultures because they can't afford it, and you know, these kind of things. Like I would love to be able to do that, but yes, you need numbers and you need PBS, all of that stuff to be backed and sponsored. But yeah, of course, one day I'd love to do more things and hopefully just do good things. But yes, far, but hopefully one day.

SPEAKER_03

It's good to have dreams, though.

SPEAKER_00

It's good to have dreams, that's true.

SPEAKER_01

And it's and I I think I'm still learning how to be okay if dream if my dreams don't come true, if my dreams don't happen. I think there's also something in being okay with with that too, which I'm not the best at.

Why quitting was never an option

Patty

You've put yourself as like this uh strong person that managed to continue streaming after all the hardships, and you've been here for six years so consistently. Have you ever like seriously thought that it was not worth it and you wanted to quit?

SPEAKER_01

I feel I see, I I think I've never wanted I've never I've always wanted it so bad that I never wanted to just quit. But there are times, of course, there are so many times that I'm so sad. And I think, you know, when I was really depressed, and sometimes I really do get into really bad, depressive states. I feel like I just want to escape and not be seen. I think for me, it's hard to be on camera, it's hard to be seen by so many people when I don't feel the best, when I'm not feeling good about myself. I don't want anyone to see me, right? So um, yeah, I've definitely felt I don't want to stream or I don't I want to just go away for a long period of time. But I don't think I've ever felt I want to quit. For me, that would have been admitting failure for myself, and I guess I'm just that would make me even more sad.

Patty

You're too stubborn to quit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think I really was. But even sometimes I think, could I change something? Because I know I have other dreams or, you know, life things, you know, unfortunately, bills and money. I'm like, should I maybe stream less and find a different job that maybe is 30 hours a week and maybe only do two or three streams a week? Like, what is the trade-off? I have to think about all these trade-offs so that I can keep streaming. I think there was one point where I was thinking, if I'm not enjoying all the streams that I'm doing, but I'm also stressed about life, money, and stuff, isn't it just worth focusing on that and then doing even two or three hour streams a day after work, and then you enjoy it even more, and then you do better and you grow more like that. So I feel like never fully quitting, but always trying to readjust and see how I can continue streaming, but like as happy as I can be. But there are times that I'm not, like even just this past week, I would say I'm not like the happiest while I've been streaming, but I've shown up, and I think when you show up and you prove to yourself consistently you can do that and you make it through, it does really make a difference.

Advice for new streamers

Patty

Yeah, but you know what? It has been such a lovely time with you. Um, it has been so nice that I think this is the longest episode yet.

SPEAKER_00

I'm so sorry. I hope that's not bad.

Patty

Is there anything, any last thoughts you want for our listeners or maybe something, uh some advice for new streamers or struggling streamers before we go?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for I guess for new advice, you know, a really small thing. People ask me, when you start streaming, don't forget to save your VODs. Genuinely, I think some of your very, very early VODs are so special, but you don't think it's special because later down the road, but you really should save them. And I did not start saving them properly until later on. And I wish I did. Did you do the same, Patty?

SPEAKER_00

Did you save a lot of your old ones?

Patty

You know what, you know how I went to Korea back in 2018? Yeah. I did an IRL there and I don't have the VOD.

SPEAKER_01

That's so sad. Oh, see, that that's so sad.

SPEAKER_00

But I think I've done the same thing with cherry blossoms, and I don't have it, so yeah.

Patty

Just means we have to go back.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, that would be so Yeah, you should. You'd oh, I haven't been in a long time. It's so pretty. The food is so good. But yeah, new streamers, save your VODs, definitely. And if you always, yeah, just keep on. I feel like this is so lame advice. Like, you just gotta keep pushing through. And honestly, if you focus on the community, if you focus on what you feel and what you're building, the numbers don't matter as much. They feel less heavy. They're still gonna be heavy, but they're gonna feel less heavy. And um, I know it's cheesy, but gotta enjoy the journey. Sometimes I don't enjoy the journey, but have a snack along the way, it'll make it a little better.

Patty

Get some bubble teeth, it's gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's that's the advice for sure. But thank you, no, thank you for inviting me, Fanny. I'm so

Find Awkventurer

SPEAKER_00

honored.

Patty

So just before we go, you uh you already thanked we thanked each other, but you you haven't plugged yourself in. Where can people find you out there in the internet?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I stream on Twitch and YouTube, but Twitch is my main platform with the community. But um my gaming channel is just Aukventure TV. So I stream the gaming there, and then on my main channel with all the travel videos and other th other things, IRL things, is just Auckventure. And then same with um Instagram. They're two, Auckventure TV and then Auckventure. And yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you guys in the next adventure.

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Patty

Now, just the final question, the most important question that it's gonna give you, it's gonna be really hard, and you have to think it through.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

Patty

If I could have any streamer on the podcast, who would you like to see tell their story?

SPEAKER_01

It's a really good question. Oh, there's a lot in terms of like growth and partner and kind of that kind of stuff.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know what? I'm gonna shout out a fellow Canadian. So she's also she blew up this year, very deserved. She does IRL, and um, I think she's been streaming for a couple of years, and like, yeah, one of her clips went viral, I think, which helped with her partner. And her I think you follow her. It's Architecture TV. Her name is Ashley. Do you follow her? I think so, maybe. Yeah, so I recommend you should you should reach out to her, go check out her streams. Yeah, Architecture TV, she's from Toronto, and she does educational IRL about the buildings because she also works full-time while she hit partner. So she streams full-time, just hit partner, but she was affiliate for a couple of years as well. And I think she's probably gonna have a lot of interesting things to share about it. And she's so nice, and she's Canadian, so

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SPEAKER_01

yeah, that's lovely.

Patty

And now I'll have to go and follow her, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but if you let her know, yeah, I think she she's in the same kind of circle as the other IRLs, like recharging. She was also so nice and rated me when I was doing my partner push. So yeah, she was also she got partner maybe a week before me, or two weeks before no, two weeks, yeah, two weeks before me. We got partnered really close around the same time.

Patty

Oh, I bet she will have really nice stories. But thank you again, Betina, and thank you to all the if you enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to give us a follow. You can find the growth raid wherever Paul's are cast. And if you can, tell a friend. We'll see you next time on the growth raid. The growth raid was created, posted, edited, and produced by me. If you like the show, feel free to rate it on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. That really helps a lot. And don't forget to subscribe to the YouTube channel. If you would like to listen ad free and see all of this episode's bloopers, join us on Patreon at patreon.com slash thegrowth rate. We also have a Twitter, Blue Sky, and Instagram at thegrowth rate. And if you'd know a streamer that would have an amazing story to share, leave your recommendation in the comments.