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KrazeyHazey: Balancing Parenthood and Streaming | Episode 17

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What does it actually look like to build a Twitch community over six years while raising a family? 
In this episode, Patty sits down with KrazeyHazey, a UK-based Twitch Partner, variety streamer, and dad of two, to talk about what it really means to stream part-time when your family comes first.
Hazey opens up about his six-year road from Affiliate to Partner, the emotional moment that made him rethink his career, and how fatherhood has shaped everything from how he handles chat to why he will never stop being silly on stream.

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Teaser

SPEAKER_00

But if streaming ever became something where you know I can't financially sustain it, I can't it's it's taking away time from my family. I I can't make that sacrifice because I I care about my family, they're my priority. I really, really hope it never gets to that point. I really really hope it never gets to that point because I love doing this.

Patty's note

Patty

Before we begin today's episode, I just wanted to make a public apology to everyone, but mostly to my guest Hazy, because we recorded this two months in advance because I said it would go out on Sunday, Father's Day, as a special episode, and then Patty of the Past wrote the wrong date on the planner. So after beating myself up over it for the entire week, we just decided that we're celebrating Father's Day a week late. I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry to any everyone, but especially to Hazy, just because I I told him this was going to be a Father's Day special on Father's Day, and then I wrote down the wrong date. That that's all I have to say. Enjoy the

Intro

Patty

episode. Welcome to the Growth Rate Podcast, the place where we dive into real streamer stories and find out what is behind the streamer. I'm your host, Patty, and today's guest, which is chosen specifically for this time of the year, is a UK variety Twitch partner and the kind of person who will throw a sausage in chat's face without a second thought. But above all of that, he is a husband and a dad of two. And that is exactly what I wanted him today, right on Father's Day. Hizy, thank you so much for joining us today.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited to be here. Thank you so much for the this time.

Patty

I always try my best and uh pick something really fun or really nice to say about people when I have them in the podcast and just to see how they will react to it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I was like, yep, this this is this summers sums me up pretty well.

How Hazey got into streaming and why

Patty

So before we get into being a dad and being a streamer, why don't you tell us uh why and how did you start streaming on Twitch?

SPEAKER_00

So I um I started streaming back in uh June 2020 uh 2019 is when I started streaming originally. It was really interesting because my journey for streaming is when it started when I got a PlayStation 4, I kind of dipped into it back in like 2012. I think that was very, very, very early in the Twitch days when things were kind of just kind of kicking off for Twitch. And I try tried it out and I showed my friend how Twitch worked, and I I thought it was quite fun. And I did one stream and then that was it, and I didn't stream a few more years after that. And then I did a couple of land parties where I played some Destiny 2 with some friends and I streamed that for a little bit and I did two occasions of that. And I after those couple of experiences that I did with streaming, I was like, oh, this is really fun, I really enjoy this, and and it's really great to interact with with people and you know meet people online and share games with with people as well. I I always always had it in the back of my mind that this is something I wanted to do later and and expand on. And then when it came to like June 2019, where it was that's that's my my birthday month, and I I said to my friend and Maud Verbium, I was like, if I gave you some money, would you help me put a PC together? And he very kindly did. And that was when that's pretty much when it all started. And then I kind of like was like, you know, what well around that time I was thinking, what what do I want to do? What what was what's kind of my main motivation to do this? And I I think you probably heard me say in my streams as well, is that I work at mental health, and one of one of the most important things that I wanted to do was to create a fun and safe space and hopefully make people's day a little bit better. So that's kind of my main my main focus. So yeah, it's it's it's a mixture of enjoyment of creating content and gaming and sharing that with others, but also a real kind of mission for hopefully making making a fun and safe space for people to enjoy. So there's there's there's two two elements to which I which I think is what brings me to to Twitch, and and then it's all kind of gone from there, really, which has been great.

Patty

Wow, that is such like a wholesome, like starting story. I I did not know about this. I mean, I always knew that you were very like mental health, like awareness and helping people like that, but I didn't know your your beginnings were like this wholesome.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, thanks.

What the early days looked like

Patty

How did those early days look like? Were you like streaming to no one?

SPEAKER_00

It was really funny because my wife and I, we'd literally just got married like two months beforehand. So we'd you know, it was all very exciting time and we'd all you know, we had lots of stuff going on, which was really exciting. And then after all that kind of like excitement kind of stopped, uh obviously it was always very exciting, but it's but when the kind of like the the initial kind of celebration stuff kind of calmed down, I I said to her, I was like, I'm thinking of picking up streaming, and you know, that this would be really something really, really, really exciting to do. Uh and she was like, Yeah, go for it, like see, see, you know, see how how much joy it brings you and all that kind of stuff. And yeah, I started streaming, and I remember when I first went live, it was it was Sea of Thieves, and and that was my main game for like a year after I started streaming. So I streamed most of that for a year. And my journey from like my initial journey was I had a couple of friends join stream. It was really fun that we had lots of Panther, lots of lots of like you know, great moments, and then slowly but surely things started to expand from there and and and people started getting more involved with the stream. Um, I hit Twitch affiliate, I think, in that September or or or October, just after after after June. Um, so yeah, it was it was a really fun journey. And and and even in my head when I started streaming, I was like, I'm never, I'm never gonna hit affiliate, I'm never really gonna hit partners. It was always this kind of like, if it happens, it'd be really nice, it'd be really great. And then the the the affiliate happened, and then the community started growing from there. So it was it was very much in those in those like early days of I think yeah, any if anyone picks up streaming and and and starts that going live, it's it's gonna be that, you know, there's gonna be a a period of time when the the viewers start you know slowly coming in over time, uh depending on how consistent and and how how much you stream as well. There's a lot of different factors to it and and and a lot of it is discoverability, which can be quite a challenge. But in terms of like, yeah, my early days, it was very, it was very much I think very similar to a lot of people in terms of of you know go live and see see what happens really is is is how I found it.

Patty

I feel like unless you have you know already people from other social media or anything, that is like the the type of growth we have. And I feel like having someone there, like you had your your friends trying to you know have a talk without having to talk with no one, I think that always helps a

Goals or community

Patty

lot. Did you not have any goals uh of like actually growing? Did you just want you know to do your thing? And if people joined, you were like a very welcome space.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'd say so. And and yeah, like expanding on what you just said as well. Like, I had you know people who who knew about the stream like already. I will I I as I said I'd also streamed a little bit beforehand. So a couple of those people who were like even years beforehand had come back as well to say hello, which was really great. And um, I didn't actually have any social following um in terms of streaming at all before I started. So it it I think some people when they start streaming might already have a social following and then be able to expand that to Twitch or or other content platforms. I just I just kind of started streaming, I just went went live. Um my aim was my my my main aim, and I think it's still even up to this day is to create a community of like-minded individuals who are kind, uh genuine or authentic, and just you know have the similar vibe that we're all trying to create, and and hopefully I'm trying to create as a creator as well. And in in terms of like goals shifting, I think it's it's always important to have goals in in life generally as well as streaming. So I I noticed that when the community started growing, my goals started kind of shifting with me. So especially last year hitting partner, that was a that was a big big goal for me, um, which only started really kind of trickling in once we saw saw that that it was possible when it started kind of like being this could happen. It was it was really exciting. It was post-TwitchCon. I was like, this is this is this is an exciting time, and I I was you know kind of thinking this is this is a this is a goal that we could work towards. So I would say that my goals have always been molded with the community rather than me setting out like from the get-go being like this is what I'm gonna do by this point, is that once the community started growing and started being being its ever-evolving presence, it it really helped me then start thinking about well, what what do I want to do with this next? So it was really kind of being led by the community, but also seeing where it takes us, which is which was really nice.

Patty

I feel like whenever people start streaming as a hobby and they have like the sense of security because they have a job, it's very different from people like that want to make it a career because the pressure and the goals will have to be super different, and the way that you know you actually do the content will be different.

Six years from Affiliate to Partner

Patty

But you were affiliate in 2019 and you you only got a partner in 2025. That is six years. When you look back, does it feel like very long, or do you think it kind of just blurs all together?

SPEAKER_00

I that's a really good question because I I notice throughout streaming there are moments where there are like there's like blurs, like for example, when someone follows, let's say someone follows, let's say this year, let's say someone followed in January, and they've been really active in the community and always chatting, and they've been there a lot. And I then sometimes someone puts you know, exclamation mark follow, and we check how long someone's followed for, and then it says like three months, and I'm like, whoa, like you've only been here three months, but you know, you've you've interacted so well and so you know integrated into the community, it feels like you've been here for ages, you've been here for like the whole journey, which is amazing. So there's there's moments like that which I'm really like, oh, you've you've been such a integrated part of the community, it's been so amazing. So that that can be a moment when that happens. I always find that like going from when I started streaming to affiliate felt like a long time, and then going from affiliate to partner five years later, six years later, it's it like it's it I think it feels it's really interesting because when I think about partner, I never thought it would be on my radar, and then last year when it when it kind of like started hitting, I was like, oh gosh, this could happen. And then I started noticing how long it took. It was kind of like it was never really kind of something that I thought would be ever happening. And then when it started happening, I was like, wow, it's taken us six years to for this to happen. This is this is this is incredible. But then also the whole journey has been has been such a wholesome, fulfilling time that I have not I've not really measured it that that much. But then when you look back and you reflect, as you say, it's like actually, yeah, it's been it's been a long journey, but also it's been I've learned a lot as a person, a lot as a streamer, and and I I think that's that's always been my always what I've taken away from from the process and then and reflecting is is always important uh as well. So yeah, I hope that answers your question. That's uh kind of go off on tangents sometimes.

Patty

We love tangents here, it's too quick. Yeah, yeah.

Deciding to go part-time

Patty

Right now, you you're a part-time streamer, and I've heard you in like recent streams saying that you're trying to reduce your work hours to be able to dedicate more time for to streaming. At what point did you start the shift? Like uh was it just because it happened because the community was supportive, or did you like made the decision at one point because of some reason?

SPEAKER_00

So, like you said earlier, like I I never really got into streaming thinking that this was going to be at all anything career-based. The line has always been for me that this is a community-building process, uh a hobby as it as you as you said earlier, as as it were a hobby as well, because I love sharing gaming with the community. It's always free, it's always really funny because I remember a time back in back when I started streaming, I was like, oh, this, I I do this as a hobby. And then I realized actually, like, it's so much more than that as well, which is which is really important, is that there's so much, you know, there's the community, there's there's the hobby is the gaming, and then I'm hopefully creating content or creating community around it. So it's it was funny because I remember being like hold holding myself, going, this is way more than a hobby. This is you know, this is this is this is huge. But then I realized, I think it was last, it was it was January 2025. I remember the moment I was playing Black Myth Wukong, and I was told like someone in the community asked me about me going full-time or or going you know into into streaming as more of a career path. And I went on uh I think I really I would say I think some people would say it was quite a wholesome rant of of like you know how I would never potentially look into you know doing um doing streaming as a career or anything like that. It's very much I would I would be you know just be just be doing this as I am, you know, for the foreseeable future. And it was it was a really interesting moment because whilst I was saying it, it was almost like I was admitting to myself that I'm that this is this is this is it in terms of like content creation and and it was a very emotional moment for me. I was a bit like, oh, that feels really sad to say it like that because there's so much more I want to do and what I could do. And I was actually pretty emotional about it because I was kind of like almost kind of pigeonholing myself into this is this is this is how it's gonna be for me for now. And that that actually opened a bit of floodgates for me because I took that moment away from from that stream and was like, I really don't feel like how rigid it feels, how how kind of like I had this idea that nine till five is my job and I should I should do this five days a week, and that's you know that's that's what I should do. Um, when actually the world around me, there's people you know who have got self-employment jobs or people are you know doing lots of different other projects which you know uh are self-employment or even you know streaming or or whatever, it could be anything. But I was like, what's what is stopping me from doing this? And then I I went on kind of a bit of a reflective journey, and I was like, you know what? Streaming has been so consistent and supportive for for the you know for five years, and it's got more and more supportive as I went on the journey. I said to myself, if I review, you know, let's say years worth of of Twitch income or Twitch kind of support, could I move that? Could I make could I shift the goalposts for myself? And I did look at the review and I looked at it and went, actually, if I go down to four days a week and look at how how Twitch is successful, can I make that shift? And I did, and then like for I think it was like four months, I kept looking at it each month. I went, can I can I do this? Can I do this? And I realized, yes, I can. And that was that was a huge thing for me. I was like, wow, this is this is something I could do. So I spoke to my manager at work, I said to my manager at work, I said, I've just reviewed like you know my incomes and looked at the different things. And I thought, you know what, if if I want to go down to four days a week, is this something I could do later this year? And my manager was like, Yeah, you could if you wanted to. So I had I put all of the elements in place, and I was like, okay, I'm just gonna see how the next month goes. So I was kind of almost kind of pushing it back um uh more and more, just being like, Oh, you know, is how's that how successful is this gonna go? You know, I'm just because I I'm I I'm I think I'm quite, you know, when it comes to you know, obviously having family, dependents, very important to me to have you know that stable income. And then the next month came and it was it was stable, it was it was successful in in what I'd hoped for because again, trying to, it's not my aim to become a a full-time streamer, but to to be able to match what I'm earning if I lost money from going down to four days a week, match that with with streaming. And it did. And then I said to myself, you know what? And I had a great conversation with a fellow streamer at TwitchCon who's been a huge inspiration and support for me. And I support I spoke to them about it. And when I got back from TwitchCon last year, I said, I said to my community, it was actually on my birthday, so it was June by that point. So it was uh TwitchCon was in May and then uh end of May and then uh mid mid-June, I said to my community, I was I just want to share something with you. I've decided that in September I'm gonna go down to four days a week, and the community were incredible, and everyone was so excited for me, and they and they I think they still are uh a lot, which is great. And it was one of the best decisions I ever made in in 2025. And at the same time, when I made that decision, we also hit partner. So there was a whole surge of support and love from the community, which I will never ever forget and never take for granted because it's because of them that I've been I've I've been able to make this decision and been able to move that forward. So if it wasn't for them, I don't think it would have been on my radar, really. So it's it's been the community support and then some self-reflection that's made me go, I really I could do this. This is this is or you know, uh play with the idea. And since then it has been one of the best decisions I've made. It's been amazing. So yeah, that that's that's where the shift went for me, uh, from you know, just being like, okay, I'm just gonna, you know, keep going, follow the tide, and then I was actually pee, you know, it's made me think a bit more about where I want to go with with my career, but also not not make not shift so much streaming as a career, but to to focus on it more. But the going down to four days a week is really just made me it's basically open to my world.

Patty

So that was like a very full journey and like very well thought out for you to you know transition from one to the

Identity as a variety streamer

Patty

other. Going now into not the financial side, but the gaming side, you call yourself a professional C tier gamer, which is hilarious.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you.

Patty

And right now your variety, so clearly your community doesn't care about what game or how good you are at the game. Was there a moment uh where you figure out that this was the case? Because even at the start, I never knew that you played one game for a full year, but because when I met you, you were already doing variety. So, how how was that whole process?

SPEAKER_00

It's really funny because Sea of Thieves for me, I'd always wanted to play the game, I was always really excited about it. Um, I love the the whole open world and and all that kind of stuff, and being a pirate is it's it was it was very fun, and I I played it constantly for for one year, maybe even longer, actually, maybe a year and a half. I lost track of time. But um, one thing that I was very aware of is that towards the end of that time I was starting to feel really burnt out on it. I started feeling like I was playing it all the time. Um, don't get me wrong, it's an incredible game. I I love it, it still has a very special place in my heart. But I almost felt like sometimes when I was going live with it, I just didn't find as much joy with it myself, if that makes sense. It's kind of like it's it's it's a great game, I love it, but I I feel like it was just becoming my my go-to game stream all the time. And we have limits.

Patty

I have 3,000 hours in the game, I don't want to play it every day.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly. And I I was like, you know what, I'd I I'm I'm loving what we're doing here as a community, and I've played other games, you know, very briefly in the past when I was kind of dipping into streaming a little bit there. Why not try variety and try and you know play some other stuff? And naturally, I think a lot of streamers out there, and and this was this is just generally with streaming, I think if you go from being like one game to like variety or you know, you shift things up a bit, then that can have an impact on on the community. And I I think I I think I noticed that maybe you know a few community members came and came and went from from when I did make a change, but the core community who has always been so incredibly supportive stuck around, and that was that was amazing, and it was it was a really wonderful thing to see because I knew that risk could be the case is that some some people come for the game, some people come for the community, and then and both are perfectly valid. Um but as as I started by dipping into variety, started meeting community members who, as you said, really kind of focused on the community aspect of it. Um I think to a certain extent um the the obviously what we're trying to create as a community, so hopefully the vibe that we're creating as a community is what people have also gravitated towards. So yeah, I think that is that is that has been a shift, and and people, you know, a lot of people do get excited about certain games I play. So if I start playing, you know, for example, I started playing Windrose, a lot of play people are playing in that at the moment and then absolutely loving it, and and and some people are playing alongside me while some streaming, so that's that's been great. So it's it's really fun to kind of share those experiences as a community too. And some people come in for the game and and and they stick around and they might they might head out after that as well. But that but that's that's that's absolutely valid too. It's really, really important. But in terms of noticing when uh you said about you know uh when it started being about the community and and the stream and potentially myself as well, I still I I think there's a bit of imposter syndrome kind of playing out a little bit. I I kind of sit there and go, Oh, is is it you know. Is when I talk about myself as a streamer, I'm I'm a bit like, oh am I being a bit egotistical here? But I'm I'm also kind of like I'm very much conscious that actually it's it's when I talk about myself, I'm a bit like, oh, it's it's about the community, it's about what we're trying to create, it's not about me. Um, but actually, some people have said to me over the last few years is that we're here for you, we're here for what you've created, and that's really nice to hear, it's really, really lovely because I I you know I it's always been about you know, hopefully making you know, making people say a look better, and actually it's it's hopefully what we're creating, but also I think as you say, people have said, Oh yeah, we become because we like to spend time with you. And I'm a bit like, you know, it's that's really nice to hear, it's really nice. So I I think there has been a shift from just the game to being more about the community and and potentially our vibe that we're creating, and um, it makes me feel awkward to say, but maybe me as well. Um, but that's you know, it's very nice to hear those kinds of things that people are very, very, very um you know supportive of what I'm trying to create, which is lovely.

Patty

What came to my mind when we're when you were saying this is that I don't know if it's because of the podcast, but lately I've been following so many people that sometimes I open and just my the people that I follow, I have to scroll so much to be able to see everyone that I follow that is live. And when you when you think about this in like the perspective of a viewer, there's so many people and they chose to you know watch you. They could be watching any of the this other people, and they are the ones choosing to you know go to your stream.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, absolutely. Someone said to me once uh an incredible image. Imagine you walk into like a theater or into like a hall, and you're like you're there, and you're just creating content or you're doing your thing that you would normally be doing on stream. And imagine, like, let's say you've got 30 people there, you know, on on you know, who are watching you. There are 30 people in those seats watching you. There's you know, it could be it could even be like you know, it could be 10 people, 20 people, 30 people, however many people, they are there giving you their time, their space, their attention. Sometimes they're doing something else, but also you know, enjoy hearing the vibes in the background or or whatever, or playing their own game and enjoying it with you, or or whatever. That's you know, that's whatever's happening. Um, and that is that for me, that's a real incredible honour because someone is giving you their time. I hold that with a lot of safety and care and a lot of lot of respect because you're you're being there to interact with the stream or or lurk as well. Lurkers make Twitch go around, really. Keeping that in mind as a streamer is always very important. And using the image of a theatre or a cinema, it's like actually, yeah, if you put it like that, that you know, you obviously you see your audience in chat, and and it's different than being in person than obviously being a seeing someone's username. But you know, seeing seeing someone's username, you're like, that is one person there who's giving you their attention in some way, whatever form that comes in. And I think that's yeah, it's such a such an incredible privilege and honor to have.

Patty

Yeah, that is very true. Usually I get the I don't get the the theater. I get like, imagine you're inside your room, there's 10 other people just looking at what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's true. I I would be this room is not big enough, probably for 10 people, so I'd be it'd be a bit crowded, but I but yeah, definitely, I think so. Like, you know, it's uh it's it's a very good image, and I I think it's really nice because it's it is it is so true. People are hanging out with you and and spending their time with you, and I'm very grateful for that. I really am.

Balancing stream nights with family life

Patty

Shifting now to you know the thing that I actually invited you here on. You are husband and dad of two.

SPEAKER_02

I am.

Patty

How how does your family? I mean, I know that your wife sometimes shows up and all in you know, you right at the beginning, you uh told me that you asked how she felt about it. Is there any like interaction? Like, does she help you with stream? How does the the whole dynamic work?

SPEAKER_00

So she I I think I said it in my stream last night, actually. She is my my biggest cheerleader. If it wasn't for her and her support and her complete understanding, I don't think I'd be where I am today. She has been incredible, and I am so lucky that she's been so you know, so supportive of me. I'm I'm so grateful for her. And she's always been someone I bounce ideas off of, so she's always like you know, listening to things about the stream, which is great. I also tell her stories about the stream, like she knows people, she's she's she she lurks a lot, but she also knows a lot of people based off just things that happen in stream. So I'll be like, oh yeah, this person said this today, and this person that and and the stream it's it's really it's it's it's it's really important to me, but also to all of us is that I've I do tell the street, I tell my wife about the stream off stream, and I talk about you know the uh the community off stream as well. And obviously in Discord we have you know we have interactions as well. So it's uh she's she's hearing all the stories and she gets all the memories as well when she she's uh you know, maybe not so uh active in the community, but she's yeah, she's been incredibly supportive. And I think the biggest thing for me, dynamic-wise, for the two of us, is because obviously some streaming is also about uh me, you know, and I was talking about time, obviously, people giving their attention and their time as a viewer. As a streamer, I'm giving my time as a as a streamer to to the community and to to to the to the stream, and I I notice that some of that time is obviously taking time away from potentially from time with uh with family or or with them with my wife or my kids, and that that's also a consideration. So and also sometimes streams you know might change or you know, things might happen as a result of the stream, for example, going to TwitchCon is is a is a big thing for that as well. So there's lots of different factors as as as streams grow grow and channels grow or communities grow. And when I've said to my wife, you know, I'm I'm thinking of doing this thing, I just wanted to run it by you because obviously we have two kids, and obviously I don't want to you know um take any any advantage of of you or or or going you know going to this opportunity and leaving you with the kids or anything like that. And you know, nine times out of ten, she's like, Yeah, well, you know, if we book it in the diary, you know, we can talk about it, we can plan it out. It's been amazing. She's been amazing, and and that because of that communication and that ability to go, I'm thinking of doing this thing, it's been amazing. And nine times out of ten, it's it's been it's worked perfectly fine. And then if you know, if if it doesn't work out, we'll we'll try and work it out together, even if it is something I can go to. If it doesn't happen, that's okay too. There's always next time. So it's been very much a communication uh thing for me and me and my wife, uh in particular. So she's she's been yeah, she's been amazing, and she knows how much you know, she'll say if she was here, if she's sitting here now, she'd be like, I know how much joy streaming gives you. And I I you know she knows that and I'm and I'm very grateful that she you know she understands what it means to me and what the community means to me. And she she loves the community too, and we you know we we we do we care about them a lot and and yeah, it's just really nice to to have that collaboration as a family, as well as obviously um as a community, which is lovely. So I'm I think she's been yeah, she's been my biggest support.

Patty

You also like touched a point that I was gonna ask about is that streaming right now you're doing four nights a week. Does it eat away at the time like for family? Is that ever been like a tension point? Or was it like decided that this is like is it's just like if it was work time and that's how it works.

SPEAKER_00

So it's it's funny you asked that question actually, because I you just as you said it, I remembered when I started streaming, I was only doing three days a week. So I actually at one point, and this was I think this was during the the pandemic lockdowns, is I went from three to four. So there was there was more time at home to potentially you know do more streams and things like that. And that's the thing, is that when I when I started streaming, it it was just to kind of see how it would go, see what would happen, just kind of touch base with it. And then as it started growing, I was thinking, oh, it'd be really nice to do more of it because I'd like to to kind of expand it a little bit more and see where it takes us. And what what's amazing with with me and my wife is that we're very we have time together, you know. We have time, you know, where we where we sit and talk, or we you know, we we have uh movies or TV together, just just quality time, that kind of stuff. That that that's really great. And there are also times when we do our own thing. So some a lot of times, and I I think I see a lot of of memes about this as well, is that just being alone together kind of thing. So like I'll I'll pick up my Switch or my you know my my PlayStation or whatever, and I'll start playing a game and she'll start reading her book, or she might be watching something, and I'll be you know, I'll be you know doing something else like Lego or something, just just just as an example. So we spend time together, but also we do our own thing, and that could be either in the same room or we could be in different rooms. So it's really it's I I think it's really kind of healthy to do what you enjoy, but also you can be together doing that, or you could do it separately, but also have time to be together as well, that quality time, um, which which is important. So so yeah, so going from from three days to four days a week was was a shift for us, and that was definitely uh something that we we talked about when that when that happened, is about like how does that affect our time together. Um and it's you know, through throughout the last six years, it's been really great because we've managed it, you know, there's been no moment where it's kind of like we haven't been able to talk about if there's anything that's come up, like it's been really, really healthy, I think, which is great. And I think when we do have our quality time together when I'm not streaming, it's it's it's really really really connected, which is great. Um, so it's been really nice having that. And in terms of with the kids in particular, uh so my my son is five, my daughter is two, they go to bed at 7 p.m. So we do our routine, so we do brushing teeth, all that kind of stuff, and then uh reading books and getting ready, putting them to bed, all that kind of stuff, and that usually happens between 7 and 7.30. And once that's done, I'm pretty ready to start getting ready for stream at like 7:30, which is great. So, in terms of their ages at the moment of being uh five and two, their bedtime is is it works really well in terms of the stream because I always start at Apm UK time, so that's worked out really well. So the only person that stream time affects at the moment is is my wife. So, and as I said earlier, she when I'm streaming, she does her own thing, she reads her books. She's been catching up on a lot of TV recently, she's just been watching The Pit, so she's loving that, she's been enjoying that load. So there's there's this real sense of like we have our own enjoyments, we do those as well. Streaming is mine, watching or reading is hers, uh, gaming is mine as well. So, and she she also games whilst I'm streaming as well. She's she's probably playing Candy Crush as we speak, to be fair as well. So um, so it's very it's very it's very great. And she, you know, like like with doing this podcast, she said to me, Oh yeah, that's great, go and go do the podcast. So she's really she's amazing and so understanding. So yeah, there's yeah, there's there's that there's that balance of communication, but also when we spend time together, it's it's making sure it's quality time doing that.

Patty

So that's

Fatherhood and streaming

Patty

that's been I've seen you be very, very silly, very you on stream, uh, and you know, some doing things that some people might find uh very cringy. Um did fatherhood affect that in a way because you maybe that's something you would do with your kids. Does that make you feel less embarrassing to do that on stream?

SPEAKER_00

I find it's so funny because I I'll give I'll give you an example. The crab dab, for example, is is is inspired by Sea of Thieves. It's actually been in the community since since Sea of Thieves days, um, which is amazing. And it's it's an emote basically the the the dance the the the the crab dab is a it's is a dance that they do in the game. And you know, when I was playing Sea of Thieves, I would do that as part of a thing. And I think I've always been quite extroverted. I like to have fun, I like to have a bit of a giggle, so I don't really mind making a bit of a fall out of myself or being silly. One thing that I used to do, and this is why my my username is Crazy Hazy, I used to run a karaoke night for three years, and they did a lot of silly stuff um during those nights as well. So it's it's kind of in my DNA a little bit, as they just do a bit of silly stuff. And I think I've noticed as a streamer, I I think I've been maybe a bit more kind of like conscious that uh you know some things that people do find cringy, and I've kind of gone, oh, I didn't realize that, you know, they kind of realize that that might be a cringy thing. And when you when you notice that someone else thinks it might be, you then go, okay, well, what well how you know how does that make me react to that? What was that reaction? But I also then went, you know, it brings me a lot of joy, so I'm still gonna do it. So it's yeah, so I but I also you know, I I think as a as a parent, I my kids react so positively to my silliness. They've seen some of my some of my content that you know isn't any scary games or anything like that, it's all silly moments, the clips that come up, and they've seen the crab dab. And you'll see in my my channel trailer as well, uh, my son, he'll say crazy hazy and it's very it's very funny. Um, but he loves the crab dab, he loves pressing the buttons, so and I and seeing them have so much joy from it as well. I will do the cringiest stuff if it brings people joy, me joy, and my kids joy, and that's that's really important to me. So I don't think I do anything that you know is you know, you know, so cringy to the point that you know it makes people uncomfortable. I think it's it's a bit of fun. Um but it's it's you know you know, you can't you can't please everyone, but it's it's very much a it's something that if you know if if my silliness brings someone's a day a bit better, makes them a day of their day a little bit better, then I will I will do that because it's you know it's a bit of fun. It's it's and and I enjoy doing it too, so that's great. And my kids, and my kids do apparently.

Patty

I feel like maybe it's just like you know, the the introverted uh in me because if I had the you know the 69 bits thing that you do, sometimes I die of cringe looking at the few. I would never be able to do that like with a straight face on.

SPEAKER_00

I you know what I mean every time I do that, I laugh inside so much because I'm trying. The thing is, is like I I don't think I don't think I'm uh you know I don't think I'm that, you know, that when I when I do that, it's meant to be sexy. I don't think I'm that sexy. So I do it in a way that's like, you know, I'm trying to be sexy, but it's not so yeah, so I yeah, I find that you know it's it it I don't I don't think I'm um I don't think I'm that you know I don't think I'm sexy, but it's it's meant to be funny in that way, and I find it funny. But what I do is when I when I zoom in and I do that whole thing, I know that uh some people are just a bit like, oh no, I just can't, I can't I can't handle this. It is it is it is a little bit cringy, and I and I think part of it is motivates that a little bit, but I also find that it it's I think me being silly and me doing that, I think hopefully does make almost kind of balance out the cringe that kind of comes with the stare as well. So yeah, it's it's it's yeah, it's I see what you mean. It's a very it can be very hit or miss. I I I've always said, especially about the crowd dab in particular, someone came in and said, Oh, that's so cringy about it once. And I I just said, well, if you don't like it, then that's totally okay, but maybe this community isn't for you. So it's just kind of like that's you know, it's it's we do we do some funny things, but it's yeah, it's it's all for the all for the laughs and the the silliness in the end. But uh yeah, I find that some things can be a very hit or miss for some people for sure. Definitely.

Patty

That's true. And what about chat? Because I feel sometimes that I'm a classroom teacher for like middle schoolers trying to control chat. Do do you sometimes feel like chat behaves like children and like being a dad help you like handle whatever is happening?

SPEAKER_00

So you know what's funny, there's there's so many layers to chat, like in terms of me growing as a streamer. So I remember the days when there wasn't anyone in chat and there was people briefly speaking, and then there was days when you know people would speak a lot, and then even nowadays sometimes people just lurk, which is which is great, and I I massively appreciate the lurks. I find that I tend to be more let's say dad-like when it comes to let's say educating maybe behavior that doesn't fit in with the community, I'd say. Not necessarily like silly behaviour, that kind of stuff, because I think we're all kind of enjoying the silly behaviour together. But when there are moments when someone can comes in and says something that doesn't vibe with the community, I might be a bit more firmer and boundaried about it. Because one of the things that I hold very, very, very strongly as as a person, but also potentially as a parent, is about psychoeducation and and boundaries and things like that. And if someone crosses a line, I will I will acknowledge it. And I think that's really important. So maybe a bit a bit more dad-like in that. If I feel like maybe that something's gone a bit too far, I might just be like, let's let's just move on, let's just go on. But I think that is I think that's a a general streamer thing anyway. So whether it's a dad motivated thing, but I yeah, I think when when when behaviours are not constructive, not healthy potentially, or or inappropriate, I'm a bit like no, we need to need to nip that in the bud, basically. Um, and that's when I probably you know uh enter a bit of a boundary dad mode. But I think I think a lot of people do that generally in streaming as well. In terms of this, let's say the the fun, silly behaviour, I think I'm quite a fun, silly dad as well. Um so yeah, I I think maybe when chat's being a bit silly, let's say, I kind of also feed into the energy too, which is probably what I do as a dad too, just kind of like feeding off the energy, feeding off the the you know, their their their fun, which is important. Um I hold very much in the back of my mind as a parent that you know you childhood is such a precious time and fun is important, but also learning and being bounded is is important to to hopefully that you know them them transition into being teenagers and then to adults some someday, hopefully not too soon. You know, they can be kids for longer because they're amazing. Um, but you know that that is an important part of being a parent, I think. So that's that's something I hold in the back of my mind as well. So again, slight tangent, but I hope that answers your question.

Patty

I like it that it has like the the two sides of it. And now you were just talking about your kids getting older. Right now, they they know that you stream, but they don't really understand it, right? They're they're too young. What do you think, or what do you hope they will think when you know they get older and they see what you're doing and start understanding it?

SPEAKER_00

So right now, um, as of now, I I think they don't I think my son does, not so much my daughter, has has an idea of what streaming is and he knows about the community, he knows about chat. I don't think he knows what what chat consists of as in terms of people, but knows that that I'm talking to someone when I'm streaming, or some people, let's say, you know, in his mind. But in terms of them growing up, I and actually when they come into the stream room, they're always very excited. They love they love the buttons, they love, they love all of this space, they love you know a lot of the collectibles that I have behind me. All the Lego is is very much up high, so they can't reach it. Um so that's something I definitely do in terms of the stream room. But they they do, you know, they do play with a lot of stuff that's in here, which is which is great. So it's a shared space a lot as well, unless I am focused on like work stuff or streaming stuff, then I might have some you know some time there to to kind of do that. But it is very much like they they know that when we say when when Papa's working that the door is closed, and they and they they know that boundary as well, which is which is great, but then otherwise the doors open and they just run in. So yeah, so they're aware of streaming, they're aware that I I do this, and Ben Giva says, you know, my son, he says, Oh Papa, are you streaming tonight? So he knows that it's that it's a thing, which is great. So in terms of them growing up, and this go this kind of comes back to you know the time boundaries of like them going to bed. I'm conscious that in a couple of years' time, maybe you know, maybe in a few years' time, they might be staying up a bit later. So that might affect how I stream. So I don't know what that looks like at the moment, but I'm conscious and and thoughtful about that streaming might have to mould again around me being a dad because being a dad is is my number one priority, and that's that's that's what I care about. And being a husband as well. So those those are my my most important things in my life. And streaming is is actually you know, streaming in the community is probably next, then probably my job, which is you know, so there's there's that, there's that, you know, so it's it's family, uh family uh first. First, then streaming and then work. So that's that's kind of my priority. Um what about yourself? Uh and me, yes, sorry, I should put me in there. But some you know, as streamers we forget about that all the time. But yeah, I know you're you're you're absolutely right. But yeah, there's that's that's how it works, I think. So um so yeah, I will I will always keep in my mind that streaming will mould with life and and being a family person um as well. So that's really important. So that that you know, that might be a time boundary shift, that might be, you know, it could it however it evolves, but I I think they'll they'll definitely become more aware of it. I know that sometimes when I when I'm sitting in the streaming room and they they're here and then I click on Google Chrome and then load up my my my Twitch channel, they'll see my trailer and they're like, oh it's Papa, it's Papa. So they know that that's that's the thing. And I think with that, just in just kind of a slight tangent, but it's it's I think they're very well, I I was I was actually saying this last night on streamers. I actually think they they find a lot of joy in seeing me do that, and I I think I don't know if this is me telling myself this, but I wonder if you know to a certain extent they're quite proud of me for doing it because they they get so excited about it when they see it. Um so that's really nice to think. I really, I really I I hope that they're you know in a few years' time they're proud of me for doing it because it is an unusual thing to be doing, um, in terms of as a parent in particular. So I'm I'm very I'm very yeah, I hope I hope they you know they they see it as something in the future. Uh see in that way in the future that they're you know that's the their the papa's doing this unusual thing, but they they find it that it's something that they they like about me as a dad, which I think would be really nice in the next few years.

Patty

I feel like maybe when they start, you know, being teenagers and such, being a YouTuber, being a streamer is is already so normal that maybe you know it's just a job that dad has.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe, yeah, maybe it might be. And and I I think that what I keep in mind is that you know there will be a time when maybe Benji, for example, and and Annabelle, Annabelle's like interaction with with the stream at the moment is still very new, so she I don't know for her, but Benji in particular, he's he's been on stream with me a couple of times, and I'm conscious that maybe someday he might turn around and say, I want to do some of this too. So that that might be in the future. Um, but in terms of yeah, being you know, being a teenager or or um you know going and going to be a young adult, they might they they they might see it as just this is what what my papa does as a as a job. Um well I I I don't know if it'll I don't know if it'll be a job at that point, but it it could be you know they'll see it as something I do, which is which is great. So I'm really excited about you know them them being a part of the journey with me. But obviously seeing as I said the priority is them. So if I find that you know things shift family-wise that require me to to be you know away from stream a little bit more, or not necessarily away from stream, but mold stream differently, because I don't I don't I wouldn't want to change too much about it, I'd still I still want to do it and I still want to to go about it, then yeah, I'd I'd review that as I go, which I've I've actually done ever since because one one thing that I thought of earlier when we were speaking as well is that I I didn't have any kids when I started streaming. So that was that was a big that was a big thing that also took into account when so actually whilst I've been streaming I've had two kids, which is which is is an incredible journey. So over si over six years we've had my wife and I have two kids. So you know that was one year later after streaming, we had our first kid, and then you know, three years uh uh three years later then we had our our second kid. So it's it's amazing how and going you know, going back to what I was saying about molding the the stream with with with what I'm doing as a as a in life but also as a family person is is that it's it's worked so well, and that's because of communication, as I said earlier, but also uh you know taking into account all those different factors that could affect it. So I think yeah, that's really where where I think it goes

The origami crane

SPEAKER_00

from.

Patty

I can't help but notice that you are wearing your merch like on your head. Does the this community space that you've built, the organic crane, um the whole vibe, does it feel like it came from like you because you personally need it, or it was something for others?

SPEAKER_00

So so giving you a little background actually about my crane is um so when I started streaming, I I had my face as my logo, and I was a bit like I don't really feel like I want this to be about me. Because it's it yes, I'm the streamer on the screen, I'm I'm doing the thing, and then that's that's you know that's great, and I I I love being you know that that person too. But the what I'm trying to create is about community, it's about what we're trying to create together. So when I was thinking of logos, I was like, what do I want the stream to be about? I don't want to make it just about me. Yes, I'm the streamer, but I also want to make it about what we're creating together. I did origami as a just as something that I did on the side because I really enjoyed you know just the process of it. It actually helped me give up smoking. So I used to smoke cigarettes years ago, and it was a really great, great way to to kind of manage that you know the the those cravings and stuff. So that was really great. So that was a really great part of part of that as a as an activity, but also the meaning specifically about the origami crane is in Japan it means hope, happiness, and peace. And at the time when I was trying to decide my logo, I was kind of like sitting there going, What what do I want this the stream to be about? What is what is the symbolism of it? What do I want it to be? And I I was at work at the time and I was just kind of in my lunch break and I was like, What do I want this to look like? I and it's it was almost like a movie moment, you know, when you're like watching the main the the main um uh like scene where someone's like trying to work something out and then they have a light bulb moment. It was just like I looked over at the crane on my desk and was like, that's it. So right in that moment, I took a picture and I put it straight onto Photoshop. I'm not a professional Photoshop person at all. I don't I don't do art, I wouldn't say that's my strength at all. Um so put it into Photoshop and then I created this very logo that's on my head. So it's the same crane that's it's always been the same crane, I haven't changed it, and that that's that's how it came about, and that that's been the vibe all about it. So I I really really wanted to make it about a message rather than about me specifically, and and make it more about the community. So that was really important to me, and then so yeah, I think I I think I started streaming as very much like this is all about the community. I want to you know, want to utilize you know a lot of you know of what I've learned as someone who works in mental health, but also um you know provide a fun space because life can throw things our way that isn't great and it could be really tough. So having somewhere to go to, and a lot of great streamers out there do this, so I'm not I'm not coming in saying I'm doing anything specifically different or special that's not in comparison to them. There's so many great people out there who do great streams like this, but still be a person that hopefully if people gravitate towards me that I can do that for them too, and that was really part of my my kind of my thought focus as as a streamer. But definitely in the last few years to kind of look at myself reflecting on the journey is that streaming isn't just about the community anymore, it's also about myself and what it brings me as well, the amount of joy, the amount of fun that I get from it. So there's I I would say it's more balanced now because I don't think I would go live if I didn't feel that it was gonna be a balanced approach. I think if it was me sacrificing myself a lot, I don't think I would it would be healthy ultimately. So I think it's important to uh always keep that in mind as a streamer generally is that if you're gonna do something for someone, definitely, you know, definitely do need that be part of your message. But don't sacrifice yourself to do it because otherwise you're then gonna potentially gonna burn out, you're gonna potentially you know, not not look after yourself, and that and I and I remember I remember specifically like you know, we were all we were all went for a tough time during the pandemic. Um is that streaming was a a real aid for me, but also there were moments where I I was I you know I potentially could have burnt out a little bit, so it's about balancing that. And more recently I I did have uh a bit of almost burnout because of work, and this isn't this isn't like anything that um is significantly concerning, but I was I was thinking to myself, I was like, I need to I need to look after myself, so the shift of focus is really really important. And I and that that isn't streaming specific, that is, that is for everything that I do. So and that's probably another reason why I want to go down to three days a week because I want to focus a bit more on uh others other projects rather than just have a full-time job that you know is is is I'm I do care about a lot, but also want to do other stuff, and if that works, that would be great. So so yeah, self-care has definitely become more of my my focus in the more recent years. Um so that and and that's with the streaming as well as just outside of that too. So yeah, I think that's that's important.

Patty

Yeah, I feel also feel like it's very important, you know, to educate more people. Um, I don't know, I I actually don't know how old you are, but like I feel like my generation, we we're just tired all the time. So I find like people like you that have this you know self-care approach and help other people, you know, know how to take care of themselves is very important.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think I think like I always say self-care is the best care, but also I I think that you know reaching out to others is also a form of care because not not every situation can be dealt by dealt with by yourself. So when someone you know sometimes people come into chat and say I'm having a not so great day, I you know, I always say look after yourself, but also reach out to people because that's important too, because some things, you know, some things might need extra support, whether that's you know a friend, family member, maybe even professional support, those kinds of things. As someone who works in professional support services, I'm very you know, I've seen really great stuff that people do in that area of work, and and it's it's really important to have have that um you know that that there if you need it, because not and it's not always like always needed, but always giving yourself that that space could be could be really beneficial. So yeah, I'm yeah, I'm an advocate for self-care. And and it's not always you know easy or black and white, but it's uh it's also about reaching out uh to others when you're struggling as well. So I'm I I like psychoeducation, I like you know giving people space to just go, I'm I'm struggling today. Obviously, we don't make that the the forefront of everything that we do in the stream because we don't want to shift the the the boundaries or the focus of the stream in particular, but we we we we don't dismiss or reject others, I think that's important uh as a community as well.

Has he ever seriously thought about quitting?

Patty

Uh we've talked like a bunch of times about you maybe go full-time or and we touched on burnout, but have you ever considered or like seriously thought about quitting streaming?

SPEAKER_00

I I think there have been moments in the last six years. If I I would be lying if I said I hadn't thought about it, and that is only because of particular instances of of moments where stress has been very high, and that isn't because of the stream itself, just because of other things. So, yeah, there have been moments, but and also I think you know, naturally I I I am I I do have moments of imposter syndrome, and sometimes, you know, for a split second my brain goes, um, you know, am I am I, you know, am I am I good enough? Am I worthy enough of this? Should I should I be doing this? You know, I think that's very natural as a human being anyway, but maybe not as an as often I should be thinking that, but um, but it's you know, I think it's natural to have those those moments of doubt. And I think it's actually healthy to to question things sometimes because otherwise if you stay static, you you know, you might you you might be doing something that you don't, you know, isn't good for you ultimately. But I'm very proud of the fact that and I'm very honoured about the fact that it's never really been something that has been a thought regularly in my mind. It's been a split second thing, maybe, but I've never I've never felt that streaming is is something that I I definitely don't want to give it up. That's not something I I I is on my radar. I don't have any plans to to give it up. I want to do it as long as I can. It would be great to do as long as I can. I don't think, as I said earlier, I don't think I've ever become a full-time streamer. I always make the joke that if I win the lottery, I'd I would become a full-time streamer. Um, as someone who doesn't play the lottery, I think that's very unlikely. So um, so I you know, if if I somehow, you know, won the lottery or you know, came across a uh scenario where I won lots of money, um, I might do it. But that's that is because of the financial stability. And if it ever came to the point where streaming was, let's say, you know, and this is all hypothetical, this is this is luckily never happened. But if streaming ever became something where I'm you know, I can't financially sustain it, I can't it's it's taking away time from my family, and and I don't think it ever will, but if it did, I I can't make that sacrifice because I I care about my family, they're they're my priority, then that would be something to consider, I think, ultimately. I really, really hope it never gets to that point. I really really hope it never gets to that point because I love doing this, and if if the stars aligned, I would I would I would do it as much as I can. But that's why the three days a week plan is what I want because streaming does have peaks and troughs of of income as well, and I don't want to risk my family's well-being and the lifestyle for going full-time, as it were. Whereas if I go three days, it feels like it's it's um it's sustainable enough if if you know if if things did didn't work out, let's say. Um so that's that's a really important part of it for me. So yeah, I I have thought about it very briefly, very, very briefly, but I've never really it's never been a plan. It's never been a plan because I I do love it so much, and I I want to do this as long as as long as I can. I think is is the

Final thoughts and a message to streamer parents

SPEAKER_00

plan.

Patty

Well, this has been a very lovely conversation. You've answered all of my questions. So is there anything that I didn't get to? Anything you want to say, anything you want the listeners to know?

SPEAKER_00

What I will say, like I I think you know, if there are any any streamer parents out there, is knowing that if you find your your way of doing it, if you find a way, because and I would never say that my way is the way to do it, I would always say that whatever works for someone else is very important, is that let yourself mould with it, like try and try and give yourself the space to find the way that works for you, then it it can be really, really fulfilling. I think that's really important. And also reach out to you know streamers out there who you know who you know who are streamer parents. I you know, I would I would absolutely you know um would love to know more streamer parents myself. I you know, I have a lot of streamer friends who are parents too, but I also want to be there for streamer parents too. So it'd be nice to to meet more people who are who are doing that. I I it's amazing how so many people come into chat who are also parents and say, Well I I have I have kids too, and I'm like, oh that's great. And that they're they're they're not streamers, they're they're viewers or community members, and that's that's really great. And I'm I'm really excited by that that that we have these stories to share about our our lives. Just giving just give anyone any streamer parents out there who are who are thinking about it and considering it, give it a go, see how it feels if you if you want to mold to it. I think it's it it's incredibly fun to do this. And if you want to give it a go, um find the way that works for you.

Where to find KrazeyHazey & Guest recommendation

Patty

Oh well, I hope this episode reaches the certain the correct type of people and you know that they do get motivated or any other good feeling with our conversation. If the listeners want to find you, where can they do it?

SPEAKER_00

Uh you can find me on twitch at twitch.tv forward slash crazy hazy. Um I also have uh a bunch of socials as well. So if you uh if you pop to my Twitch channel and want to follow me there or join our Discord, you can find the links there as well. And yeah, if you if you yeah, if you ever want to join our community or or chat, then feel free to join us. Be lovely to have you there.

Patty

One last question. If I could have any streamer here on the podcast having a conversation about streaming, what would you like to see?

SPEAKER_00

Ooh, good question. There's so many great streamers out there. Well, I immediately think Shaky, because he's one of my best streamer friends, he's great. Yeah, I think he he's immediately comes to mind. I mean, I could give you a whole list, but but yeah, he's he's I think yeah, he's he's a good friend. He's he me and him are very similar as as streamers. Like we when we first met, we were like, are we brothers? Um so it was kind of like that, which was funny because we've got such similar, um, similar uh vibes and and and goals, which is great. And he's he's got uh you know he's a full-time streamer, so he's got a different um different uh scenario than than I do, but he's yeah, he's been he's been great support to me, so definitely love to see him on here.

Patty

Yeah, I feel like when because I met Shaky first because of the what is it, Breakfast Society?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Patty

And that's that's how I found you after. And I I I did I did see the similarities. I was like, do they know each other? Do they talk about stream or how did this happen?

SPEAKER_00

I I it was TwitchCon two years ago where we met and then we were just talking, and it was like literally like a Spider-Man moment of like, wait, we like the same games. Also, we have very similar life experiences. This is very cool. So it was very it was very amazing because we were like talking about the same games and talking about the same experiences. We were like, did we get separated at birth? It was kind of like that scenario. Um, so yeah, so he's no, I I I yeah, he's he'd be great to have on here

outro & credits

SPEAKER_00

for sure.

Patty

Thank you again, Hazy.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you, thank you for having me.

Patty

Thank you for saying yes so quickly, too.

SPEAKER_00

Of course, of course. No, this has been great, it's been great fun.

Patty

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